Zermat
 

Thinking about going in Feb. (2 wks.) . Looking for cheap room w/ breakfast.
Any tips or faves ?
Thanks !

Zermat
 

On 15/09/2010 01:32, Dynastarian wrote:
Thinking about going in Feb. (2 wks.) . Looking for cheap room w/
breakfast.
Any tips or faves ?

Yes, go somewhere else - see my recent post on Z.

Zermat
 

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:43:21 +0200, BrritSki
wrote:

On 15/09/2010 01:32, Dynastarian wrote:
Thinking about going in Feb. (2 wks.) . Looking for cheap room w/
breakfast.
Any tips or faves ?

Yes, go somewhere else - see my recent post on Z.

Never tried it myself, but apparently there is a youth hostel on the
edge of town. Not my idea of decent accomodation, but there you go.

We did once stay in a cheapish place in the middle of town, but it's
probab;ly changed by now. In any event, what you need to look for is
somewhere branded a "Hotel Garni". Very little facilities, and
sometimes needing a revamp and just killnig time until someone gets
round to it, but usually possible, even somewhere like Zermatt, to
find a room for two for around 80 francs/night.


--
Ace
Ski Club of Great Britain http://www.skiclub.co.uk/
All opinions expressed are those of the poster and in no way reflect those of the Ski Club or its members

Zermat
 

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:43:21 +0200, BrritSki
wrote:

On 15/09/2010 01:32, Dynastarian wrote:
Thinking about going in Feb. (2 wks.) . Looking for cheap room w/
breakfast.
Any tips or faves ?

Yes, go somewhere else - see my recent post on Z.

I sem to have missed your post and lost my Google mojo. What was the
upshot of it? I was vaguely toying with the idea of going there next
year for a week.

I went in my first couple of years of skiiing on real snow and as a
result, was only able to ski about half the resort. I always intended
to go back when I was a better skier.


--
-Pip

Zermat
 

On 17/09/2010 23:15, Pip Luscher wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:43:21 +0200,
wrote:

On 15/09/2010 01:32, Dynastarian wrote:
Thinking about going in Feb. (2 wks.) . Looking for cheap room w/
breakfast.
Any tips or faves ?

Yes, go somewhere else - see my recent post on Z.

I sem to have missed your post and lost my Google mojo. What was the
upshot of it? I was vaguely toying with the idea of going there next
year for a week.

I went in my first couple of years of skiiing on real snow and as a
result, was only able to ski about half the resort. I always intended
to go back when I was a better skier.


Ooops, it was posted in rec.skiing.alpine, but here's the question and
my reply:

On 06/09/2010 18:50, BrritSki wrote:
On 06/09/2010 18:27, Chile Ski wrote:
My friends and I are planning a late Feb ski trip to either Zermatt or
Val D'Isere. The original idea was to take advantage of the low Euro
now before it gets up again, but as Switzerland is not on the Euro, we
are curious as to relative prices as well as ski experience, food
experience, recommended hotels, recommended guides. Please, if anyone
has comment, please let me know

Zermatt is the sort of place that everyone should ski once. The
tradition, Matterhorn backdrop, ice caves, mountain railway and height
alone make it a must for some people. Having said that I won't be going
back - I didn't think the actual skiing was that great - even the
off-piste with a guide (but then I'm not thgat good at off-piste skiing)
and the lift system really REALLY sucks, taking up to 2 hours to get
from the base to the very top on 3 different lifts.

Val d'Isere/Tignes is far better organised and there is a much bigger
range of skiing. Still not my favourite though, which is the 3V,
Courchevel in particular, but not in January when it's crawling with
Russians.

Zermat
 

"BrritSki" wrote in message
...

and the lift system really REALLY sucks, taking up to 2 hours to get
from the base to the very top on 3 different lifts.

Not sure what you mean by that, but I would point out that the Furi to
Riffelberg lift which was built a few years ago did make it much easier to
get between the various areas. You can now get to Rothorn and back quite
easily from Cervinia.


--
Michael Chare

Zermat
 

In message
"Michael Chare" wrote:

"BrritSki" wrote in message
...

and the lift system really REALLY sucks, taking up to 2 hours to
get from the base to the very top on 3 different lifts.

Not sure what you mean by that, but I would point out that the Furi to
Riffelberg lift which was built a few years ago did make it much
easier to get between the various areas. You can now get to Rothorn
and back quite easily from Cervinia.


I've been skiing in Zermat twice, once last year April 2009 and once
about 10 years earlier. Both were as a result of completing Haute Route
style ski-tours in Zermat. It has some excellent off-piste routes and
also some accessible mountain tours (the Breithorn is a reasonable 4000m
tick) but I wouldn't want to spend too much time there for on piste
skiing. Part of the problem is the clientele that the resort attracts. I
spent too long standing in queues surrounded by fur clad, loud speaking,
americans, discussing their recent investments, corporate takeovers,
paychecks, tax bills, filmshoots etc etc.


--
o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark
\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing,
" || _`\,_ |__\ \ | caving, antibody engineer and
` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" http://www.antibody.me.uk/

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"Mike Clark" wrote in message
.uk...
In message
but I wouldn't want to spend too much time there for on piste
skiing. Part of the problem is the clientele that the resort attracts. I
spent too long standing in queues surrounded by fur clad, loud speaking,
americans, discussing their recent investments, corporate takeovers,
paychecks, tax bills, filmshoots etc etc.

So, 2 short visits and diss the resort for some encounter with some bankers.
I'm lucky enough to have not encountered such people, although there are the
usual southern Brit hoorays as in any decent resort, and I've been to
Zermatt loads of times. Good town, good skiing on + off piste and some half
decent improvements over the past few seasons. Queues are long if you choose
them but plenty of alternatives once you know the resort. Klein Matterhorn
glacier area + Cervinia really only need to ski for a day or two,and, if
snow is good, happy to stay on Zermatt local pass. Reasonable hotels do
exist, check out the tourist website and reasonable places to eat (for a top
Swiss resort). Oh, and the scenary IS superb. HTH Mike

Zermat
 

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:37:59 +0100, "Mike"
wrote:

"Mike Clark" wrote in message
c.uk...
In message
but I wouldn't want to spend too much time there for on piste
skiing. Part of the problem is the clientele that the resort attracts. I
spent too long standing in queues surrounded by fur clad, loud speaking,
americans, discussing their recent investments, corporate takeovers,
paychecks, tax bills, filmshoots etc etc.

So, 2 short visits and diss the resort for some encounter with some bankers.

Well, it's more than some people ;-) But yeah, this and BrittSki's
post do seem to be extrtapolating from a little experience.

I'm lucky enough to have not encountered such people, although there are the
usual southern Brit hoorays as in any decent resort,

Not all, but yes, in many of them.

and I've been to
Zermatt loads of times. Good town, good skiing on + off piste and some half
decent improvements over the past few seasons. Queues are long if you choose
them but plenty of alternatives once you know the resort. Klein Matterhorn
glacier area + Cervinia really only need to ski for a day or two,and, if
snow is good, happy to stay on Zermatt local pass. Reasonable hotels do
exist, check out the tourist website and reasonable places to eat (for a top
Swiss resort). Oh, and the scenary IS superb. HTH Mike

It's about as good as it comes, scenery-wise, for sure. The Matterhorn
is probably the most pictured mountain in the world, and the most
picturesque, for that matter.

I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the place, and share some of the
reservations of others. Queues are nothing like as bad as they used to
be, and connections between areas likewise, due to lift system
improvements over the last few years, but for me it's just got too
many people.

But TBH that's probably something it shares with most of the larger
resorts, and having got used to being in Engelberg I'm perhaps less
tolerant of lift queues and crowds than I used to be.

In its favour, Zermatt does have some decent, ski-accessibls
off-piste, but the best stuff (for me) is glacier terrain, much of
which is only really accessible by helicopter, and for that I'd much
rather stay on the Itlaian side, in Gressoney, for example, and enjoy
the 15km of off-piste tracks back there from Cervinia.

I do have a soft spot for the Hotel Julen, though, and have stayed
there a few times, summer, winter and autumn (the latter doing
BASI/BASP 1st aid courses). As an all-year Swiss Mountain Village
destination it's hard to beat.

--
Ace
Ski Club of Great Britain http://www.skiclub.co.uk/
All opinions expressed are those of the poster and in no way reflect those of the Ski Club or its members

Zermat
 

On Sep 21, 12:22*pm, Ace wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:37:59 +0100, "Mike"

wrote:
"Mike Clark" wrote in message
c.uk...
In message
but I wouldn't want to spend too much time there for on piste
skiing. Part of the problem is the clientele that the resort attracts. I
spent too long standing in queues surrounded by fur clad, loud speaking,
americans, discussing their recent investments, corporate takeovers,
paychecks, tax bills, filmshoots etc etc.

So, 2 short visits and diss the resort for some encounter with some bankers.

Well, it's more than some people ;-) But yeah, this and BrittSki's
post do seem to be extrtapolating from a little experience.

I'm lucky enough to have not encountered such people, although there are the
usual southern Brit hoorays as in any decent resort,

Not all, but yes, in many of them.

and I've been to
Zermatt loads of times. Good town, good skiing on + off piste and some half
decent improvements over the past few seasons. Queues are long if you choose
them but plenty of alternatives once you know the resort. Klein Matterhorn
glacier area + Cervinia really only need to ski for a day or two,and, if
snow is good, happy to stay on Zermatt local pass. Reasonable hotels do
exist, check out the tourist website and reasonable places to eat (for a top
Swiss resort). Oh, and the scenary IS superb. HTH Mike

It's about as good as it comes, scenery-wise, for sure. The Matterhorn
is probably the most pictured mountain in the world, and the most
picturesque, for that matter.

I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the place, and share some of the
reservations of others. Queues are nothing like as bad as they used to
be, and connections between areas likewise, due to lift system
improvements over the last few years, but for me it's just got too
many people.

But TBH that's probably something it shares with most of the larger
resorts, and having got used to being in Engelberg I'm perhaps less
tolerant of lift queues and crowds than I used to be.

In its favour, Zermatt does have some decent, ski-accessibls
off-piste, but the best stuff (for me) is glacier terrain, much of
which is only really accessible by helicopter, and for that I'd much
rather stay on the Itlaian side, in Gressoney, for example, and enjoy
the 15km of off-piste tracks back there from Cervinia.

I do have a soft spot for the Hotel Julen, though, and have stayed
there a few times, summer, winter and autumn (the latter doing
BASI/BASP 1st aid courses). As an all-year Swiss Mountain Village
destination it's hard to beat.


Excuse me? Are you so rude as to cross post an actual skiing post to
RSA?
Let us discuss Roger Tilsbury, a pathetic and laughable coward who has
defamed me for years, and lied to the Seattle Police Department over a
stupid newsgroup.
One of the most disgusting and transparent pathological liars I have
ever run across.
Not to mention the fact that he thinks jokes about raping children are
hilarious. Do you think people should make sick jokes about molesting
children?
Stay the **** out of my newsgroup, or watch yours go into the sewer
too.
Fun, fun. Asshole.

Zermat
 

On Sep 21, 1:26*pm, twobuddha wrote:
On Sep 21, 12:22*pm, Ace wrote:





On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:37:59 +0100, "Mike"

wrote:
"Mike Clark" wrote in message
c.uk...
In message
but I wouldn't want to spend too much time there for on piste
skiing. Part of the problem is the clientele that the resort attracts. I
spent too long standing in queues surrounded by fur clad, loud speaking,
americans, discussing their recent investments, corporate takeovers,
paychecks, tax bills, filmshoots etc etc.

So, 2 short visits and diss the resort for some encounter with some bankers.

Well, it's more than some people ;-) But yeah, this and BrittSki's
post do seem to be extrtapolating from a little experience.

I'm lucky enough to have not encountered such people, although there are the
usual southern Brit hoorays as in any decent resort,

Not all, but yes, in many of them.

and I've been to
Zermatt loads of times. Good town, good skiing on + off piste and some half
decent improvements over the past few seasons. Queues are long if you choose
them but plenty of alternatives once you know the resort. Klein Matterhorn
glacier area + Cervinia really only need to ski for a day or two,and, if
snow is good, happy to stay on Zermatt local pass. Reasonable hotels do
exist, check out the tourist website and reasonable places to eat (for a top
Swiss resort). Oh, and the scenary IS superb. HTH Mike

It's about as good as it comes, scenery-wise, for sure. The Matterhorn
is probably the most pictured mountain in the world, and the most
picturesque, for that matter.

I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the place, and share some of the
reservations of others. Queues are nothing like as bad as they used to
be, and connections between areas likewise, due to lift system
improvements over the last few years, but for me it's just got too
many people.

But TBH that's probably something it shares with most of the larger
resorts, and having got used to being in Engelberg I'm perhaps less
tolerant of lift queues and crowds than I used to be.

In its favour, Zermatt does have some decent, ski-accessibls
off-piste, but the best stuff (for me) is glacier terrain, much of
which is only really accessible by helicopter, and for that I'd much
rather stay on the Itlaian side, in Gressoney, for example, and enjoy
the 15km of off-piste tracks back there from Cervinia.

I do have a soft spot for the Hotel Julen, though, and have stayed
there a few times, summer, winter and autumn (the latter doing
BASI/BASP 1st aid courses). As an all-year Swiss Mountain Village
destination it's hard to beat.

Excuse me? *Are you so rude as to cross post an actual skiing post to
RSA?
Let us discuss Roger Tilsbury, a pathetic and laughable coward who has
defamed me for years, and lied to the Seattle Police Department over a
stupid newsgroup.
One of the most disgusting and transparent pathological liars I have
ever run across.
Not to mention the fact that he thinks jokes about raping children are
hilarious. *Do you think people should make sick jokes about molesting
children?
Stay the **** out of my newsgroup, or watch yours go into the sewer
too.
Fun, fun. *Asshole.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Repressed memories revisited
I am Scott Barak Abraham's brother. I started to write a long rebuttal
to his story in Backlash ("Repressed Memory Syndrome," The Backlash,
March 1995), but then I stopped. No matter what I say, some will
accept, some will not. But there is a thing that must be said. Scott
Barak Abraham was not, I repeat not, abused within our household.
Since this alleged abuse is one of the pivotal points of the article,
I feel it calls the validity of the whole article into question.
Mr. Abraham was a multiple substance abuser for over twenty years, I
have never used any drugs and haven't had a drink since I was 15 years
old, 27 years ago, and was never drunk even once. I bring this up not
for moral judgment, just for one point. Mr. Abraham poisoned his mind
and body for over twenty years with mind altering drugs and
substances, all of which have been scientifically proven to affect
intelligence, perception and memory.

Finally, as children, up to my 17th birthday Mr. Abraham molested me,
violently abused me almost daily, and to this day uses words of
derision and insult to attack and intimidate me. He denies this. If
nothing else, I remember him doing this, he denies it. He says both of
us were victims of multiple abusers, and I deny that with absolutely
no hesitation or reservation. Since the article says False Memory
Syndrome doesn't exist, he is quite wrong, as apparently one of us is
the victim of said syndrome.

A last thought. Mr. Abraham's behavior is nothing new, it hasn't
changed ever. He threatened and intimidated when he was six, he
threatened and intimidated when he was 15, he threatened and
intimidated when he was 25, he threatens and intimidates when he is
43.

I do not use my name at the request of the publisher.

Editor: Scott changed his name, so he and his brother no longer share
the same last name.

Zermat
 

Hey, Euro assholes?
See what happens when you **** off one of Britski's (Roger Tilsbury)
buddies?
They repeat lies falsely accusing me of being a child molester. While
hiding in anonymity, of course. Sock puppeting a dead man.
Disgusting, isn't it? But it is pretty much the same thing that
Tilsbury did when he lied to AMerican law enforcement about me,
falsely accusing me of threatening him and others, lying to the cops
and committing felony perjury.
Same ****, different day.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tilsbury was the sockpuppet. There truly
is no limit on the vileness this coward is capable of committing.



On Sep 21, 1:28*pm, Mark Spittal wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:26*pm, twobuddha wrote:





On Sep 21, 12:22*pm, Ace wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:37:59 +0100, "Mike"

wrote:
"Mike Clark" wrote in message
c.uk...
In message
but I wouldn't want to spend too much time there for on piste
skiing. Part of the problem is the clientele that the resort attracts. I
spent too long standing in queues surrounded by fur clad, loud speaking,
americans, discussing their recent investments, corporate takeovers,
paychecks, tax bills, filmshoots etc etc.

So, 2 short visits and diss the resort for some encounter with some bankers.

Well, it's more than some people ;-) But yeah, this and BrittSki's
post do seem to be extrtapolating from a little experience.

I'm lucky enough to have not encountered such people, although there are the
usual southern Brit hoorays as in any decent resort,

Not all, but yes, in many of them.

and I've been to
Zermatt loads of times. Good town, good skiing on + off piste and some half
decent improvements over the past few seasons. Queues are long if you choose
them but plenty of alternatives once you know the resort. Klein Matterhorn
glacier area + Cervinia really only need to ski for a day or two,and, if
snow is good, happy to stay on Zermatt local pass. Reasonable hotels do
exist, check out the tourist website and reasonable places to eat (for a top
Swiss resort). Oh, and the scenary IS superb. HTH Mike

It's about as good as it comes, scenery-wise, for sure. The Matterhorn
is probably the most pictured mountain in the world, and the most
picturesque, for that matter.

I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the place, and share some of the
reservations of others. Queues are nothing like as bad as they used to
be, and connections between areas likewise, due to lift system
improvements over the last few years, but for me it's just got too
many people.

But TBH that's probably something it shares with most of the larger
resorts, and having got used to being in Engelberg I'm perhaps less
tolerant of lift queues and crowds than I used to be.

In its favour, Zermatt does have some decent, ski-accessibls
off-piste, but the best stuff (for me) is glacier terrain, much of
which is only really accessible by helicopter, and for that I'd much
rather stay on the Itlaian side, in Gressoney, for example, and enjoy
the 15km of off-piste tracks back there from Cervinia.

I do have a soft spot for the Hotel Julen, though, and have stayed
there a few times, summer, winter and autumn (the latter doing
BASI/BASP 1st aid courses). As an all-year Swiss Mountain Village
destination it's hard to beat.

Excuse me? *Are you so rude as to cross post an actual skiing post to
RSA?
Let us discuss Roger Tilsbury, a pathetic and laughable coward who has
defamed me for years, and lied to the Seattle Police Department over a
stupid newsgroup.
One of the most disgusting and transparent pathological liars I have
ever run across.
Not to mention the fact that he thinks jokes about raping children are
hilarious. *Do you think people should make sick jokes about molesting
children?
Stay the **** out of my newsgroup, or watch yours go into the sewer
too.
Fun, fun. *Asshole.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Repressed memories revisited
I am Scott Barak Abraham's brother. I started to write a long rebuttal
to his story in Backlash ("Repressed Memory Syndrome," The Backlash,
March 1995), but then I stopped. No matter what I say, some will
accept, some will not. But there is a thing that must be said. Scott
Barak Abraham was not, I repeat not, abused within our household.
Since this alleged abuse is one of the pivotal points of the article,
I feel it calls the validity of the whole article into question.
Mr. Abraham was a multiple substance abuser for over twenty years, I
have never used any drugs and haven't had a drink since I was 15 years
old, 27 years ago, and was never drunk even once. I bring this up not
for moral judgment, just for one point. Mr. Abraham poisoned his mind
and body for over twenty years with mind altering drugs and
substances, all of which have been scientifically proven to affect
intelligence, perception and memory.

Finally, as children, up to my 17th birthday Mr. Abraham molested me,
violently abused me almost daily, and to this day uses words of
derision and insult to attack and intimidate me. He denies this. If
nothing else, I remember him doing this, he denies it. He says both of
us were victims of multiple abusers, and I deny that with absolutely
no hesitation or reservation. Since the article says False Memory
Syndrome doesn't exist, he is quite wrong, as apparently one of us is
the victim of said syndrome.

A last thought. Mr. Abraham's behavior is nothing new, it hasn't
changed ever. He threatened and intimidated when he was six, he
threatened and intimidated when he was 15, he threatened and
intimidated when he was 25, he threatens and intimidates when he is
43.

I do not use my name at the request of the publisher.

Editor: Scott changed his name, so he and his brother no longer share
the same last name.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Zermat
 

On 21/09/2010 22:48, twobuddha wrote:

Hey, how did you get out of my killfile - been tossed by another ISP ?

... But it is pretty much the same thing that
Tilsbury did when he lied to AMerican law enforcement about me,
falsely accusing me of threatening him and others, lying to the cops
and committing felony perjury.

No, I didn't do any of those things.

Same ****, different day.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tilsbury was the sockpuppet.

No, I've always posted as BrritSki (apart from a couple of occasions as
jokes) and always linked to my *real* name. ;)

Unlike you, bobaloobob, Al Weinstein.

Don't bother to reply, you're plonked again.

Zermat
 

On 21/09/2010 21:22, Ace wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:37:59 +0100, "Mike"
wrote:

"Mike wrote in message
.uk...
In message7cednTfr3qSrFwvRnZ2dnUVZ7rOdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk
but I wouldn't want to spend too much time there for on piste
skiing. Part of the problem is the clientele that the resort attracts. I
spent too long standing in queues surrounded by fur clad, loud speaking,
americans, discussing their recent investments, corporate takeovers,
paychecks, tax bills, filmshoots etc etc.

So, 2 short visits and diss the resort for some encounter with some bankers.

Well, it's more than some people ;-) But yeah, this and BrittSki's
post do seem to be extrtapolating from a little experience.

Hold on, I listed many of the things that were worth it in Z, but if
you're not a great off-piste skier the skiing is NOT that great and the
lift system sucks, even if you do know your way round it. We had a day
with a guide in our week there, and we spent about 20% of the day with
him queuing !

Anyway, it seems that you agree about this aspect in your reply. Ski
there once by all means, and then make your own mind up. I have, and
there are lots of other places I prefer, including Gressoney that you
mention, La Thuile and my own personal favourite Courchevel.

I'm lucky enough to have not encountered such people, although there are the
usual southern Brit hoorays as in any decent resort,

Not all, but yes, in many of them.

and I've been to
Zermatt loads of times. Good town, good skiing on + off piste and some half
decent improvements over the past few seasons. Queues are long if you choose
them but plenty of alternatives once you know the resort. Klein Matterhorn
glacier area + Cervinia really only need to ski for a day or two,and, if
snow is good, happy to stay on Zermatt local pass. Reasonable hotels do
exist, check out the tourist website and reasonable places to eat (for a top
Swiss resort). Oh, and the scenary IS superb. HTH Mike

It's about as good as it comes, scenery-wise, for sure. The Matterhorn
is probably the most pictured mountain in the world, and the most
picturesque, for that matter.

I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the place, and share some of the
reservations of others. Queues are nothing like as bad as they used to
be, and connections between areas likewise, due to lift system
improvements over the last few years, but for me it's just got too
many people.

But TBH that's probably something it shares with most of the larger
resorts, and having got used to being in Engelberg I'm perhaps less
tolerant of lift queues and crowds than I used to be.

In its favour, Zermatt does have some decent, ski-accessibls
off-piste, but the best stuff (for me) is glacier terrain, much of
which is only really accessible by helicopter, and for that I'd much
rather stay on the Itlaian side, in Gressoney, for example, and enjoy
the 15km of off-piste tracks back there from Cervinia.

I do have a soft spot for the Hotel Julen, though, and have stayed
there a few times, summer, winter and autumn (the latter doing
BASI/BASP 1st aid courses). As an all-year Swiss Mountain Village
destination it's hard to beat.

Zermat
 

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:26:58 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha
wrote:

Excuse me? Are you so rude as to cross post an actual skiing post to
RSA?

Christ, Bruce, why the cross-post to RSA (now removed)? I'd forgotten
what an asylum that ran over there...
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

Zermat
 

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:22:14 +0100, Champ wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:26:58 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha
wrote:

Excuse me? Are you so rude as to cross post an actual skiing post to
RSA?

Christ, Bruce, why the cross-post to RSA (now removed)? I'd forgotten
what an asylum that ran over there...

Brittski implied that he'd posted his reply there, so I thought I'd
put mine there too...

Perhaps it was a mistake.
--
Ace
Ski Club of Great Britain http://www.skiclub.co.uk/
All opinions expressed are those of the poster and in no way reflect those of the Ski Club or its members

Zermat
 

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:11:10 +0200, BrritSki
wrote:

On 21/09/2010 21:22, Ace wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:37:59 +0100, "Mike"
wrote:

So, 2 short visits and diss the resort for some encounter with some bankers.

Well, it's more than some people ;-) But yeah, this and BrittSki's
post do seem to be extrtapolating from a little experience.

Hold on, I listed many of the things that were worth it in Z, but if
you're not a great off-piste skier the skiing is NOT that great and the

Well of course, if you're not into off-piste, I'd agree - the on-piste
skiing is only average. Then again, I rarely stick to pistes, so am
not always the best person to comment on that ;-)

lift system sucks, even if you do know your way round it. We had a day
with a guide in our week there, and we spent about 20% of the day with
him queuing !

I really don't think it's any worse than most other large resorts. It
used to be a lot worse, but it's improved over recent years.

Anyway, it seems that you agree about this aspect in your reply. Ski
there once by all means, and then make your own mind up. I have, and
there are lots of other places I prefer, including Gressoney that you
mention, La Thuile and my own personal favourite Courchevel.

Oh yeah, sure, and I wouldn't/don't often ski Zermatt, but I do think
there's something special about it, so it should be on everyone's
"must ski" list.

--
Ace
Ski Club of Great Britain http://www.skiclub.co.uk/
All opinions expressed are those of the poster and in no way reflect those of the Ski Club or its members

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On Sep 22, 12:05*am, BrritSki wrote:
On 21/09/2010 22:48, twobuddha wrote:

Hey, how did you get out of my killfile - been tossed by another ISP ?

... *But it is pretty much the same thing that
Tilsbury did when he lied to AMerican law enforcement about me,
falsely accusing me of threatening him and others, lying to the cops
and committing felony perjury.

No, I didn't do any of those things.

Outright lie. You have bragged about doing so. You are nothing but a
psychopathic pathological liar, dickless coward, and an all around
asshole.
Lie some more.

Same ****, different day.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tilsbury was the sockpuppet.

No, I've always posted as BrritSki (apart from a couple of occasions as
jokes) and always linked to my *real* name. ;)

Turns out it was your buddy Thompson. Got anything to say about him
falsely accusing me of molesting children?
Of course not. Pretty blatant double standard, wouldn't you say?
Damn, forgot. There is one standard for stalking psychopaths and
another standard for decent people who see you for what you are, eh,
asshole?


Unlike you, bobaloobob, Al Weinstein.

Don't bother to reply, you're plonked again.

Yeah, but your friends here get to see what a pathetic, laughable,
transparent freak you are. What a fraud!!!!!!!!!
Hey, if you are going to give me **** about eleven years ago, how
about criticizing your drinking and ski buddy Bob Thompson for going
sockpuppet and falsely accusing me of molesting children?
What's that you say? Nothing? Geez, what a ridiculous double
standard. It seems you never have any criticism for anyone who
defames me. Including yourself.

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In message
Ace wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:11:10 +0200, BrritSki
wrote:

On 21/09/2010 21:22, Ace wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:37:59 +0100, "Mike"
wrote:

So, 2 short visits and diss the resort for some encounter with some bankers.

Well, it's more than some people ;-) But yeah, this and BrittSki's
post do seem to be extrtapolating from a little experience.

Hold on, I listed many of the things that were worth it in Z, but if
you're not a great off-piste skier the skiing is NOT that great and the

Well of course, if you're not into off-piste, I'd agree - the on-piste
skiing is only average. Then again, I rarely stick to pistes, so am
not always the best person to comment on that ;-)


In my two skiing trips to Zermatt I've probably clocked up about four
days skiing, all of them off-piste skiing but using the pistes to link
up routes or get back down to the valley at the end of the day.

(I've also visited several times for summer alpine mountaineering.)

The scenary is spectacular and there is a certain charm to the village.
There are also a couple of decent bars and restaurants that I enjoyed
visiting. But it certainly wouldn't be near the top of my list for a
place to spend a week of on-piste skiing.

lift system sucks, even if you do know your way round it. We had a
day with a guide in our week there, and we spent about 20% of the
day with him queuing !

I really don't think it's any worse than most other large resorts. It
used to be a lot worse, but it's improved over recent years.


For early season on piste skiing I usually end up somewhere in areas
such as Espace Killy, the Three Valleys, or Paradiski.

Later on when I'm touring I often pass through a lot of resorts, many of
them much smaller. If the weather conditions are not right you may
end up spending a few days on piste waiting for an improvement in
the off-piste. I've had some pleasant times in Jean St Luke, Morzine,
Arolla, Saas-Fee, Lauterbrunnen, Kandersteg, Andermatt, La Fouly, Bourg
Saint-Bernard and in some larger resorts such as Grand Bornand,
Courmayeur, Verbier and Grindelwald. My touring is often based
(beginning and end) around Argentiere, more recently staying in the
village of Le Buet, so I've got to know the slopes of Le Tour and Les
Grands Montets very well.

Queuing generally hasn't been a big problem in these resorts because
often I'm there when the weather is sub-optimal and many skiers
choose to stay indoors, or in the villages!

Anyway, it seems that you agree about this aspect in your reply. Ski
there once by all means, and then make your own mind up. I have, and
there are lots of other places I prefer, including Gressoney that you
mention, La Thuile and my own personal favourite Courchevel.

Oh yeah, sure, and I wouldn't/don't often ski Zermatt, but I do think
there's something special about it, so it should be on everyone's
"must ski" list.


Definitely it's a great place for scenic beauty in the mountains.

Mike
--
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" || _`\,_ |__\ \ | caving, antibody engineer and
` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" http://www.antibody.me.uk/

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On Sep 22, 12:05*am, BrritSki wrote:
On 21/09/2010 22:48, twobuddha wrote:

Hey, how did you get out of my killfile - been tossed by another ISP ?

Make up another lie, and brag about lying to ISP's, all in one line.
You really are proud of how your defamations worked, eh, freak?


... *But it is pretty much the same thing that
Tilsbury did when he lied to AMerican law enforcement about me,
falsely accusing me of threatening him and others, lying to the cops
and committing felony perjury.

No, I didn't do any of those things.

Outright lie. You participated in a criminal campaign that
deliberately lied to American LE and an American judge.
You committed perjury. You whined that you were so terrified of me
that you could not visit America. As if you and I were going to bump
into each other at one of the three hundred or so US ski resorts.
Considering I have never met you, don't know what you look like,
didn't know where you would be, etc.
How pathetic. How cowardly. How dishonest. How Roger Tilsbury.


Don't bother to reply, you're plonked again.

And of course, no comment on your friend Bob Thompson using a
sockpuppet of a dead man to falsely accuse me of molesting children.
How amoral. How disgusting. How normal for you.

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On Sep 22, 1:22*am, Champ wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:26:58 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha

wrote:
Excuse me? *Are you so rude as to cross post an actual skiing post to
RSA?

Christ, Bruce, why the cross-post to RSA (now removed)? *I'd forgotten
what an asylum that ran over there...

You've got an original terrorist here in Tilsbury. He's one of the
freaks that turned it into the ******** of usenet.
Be careful: **** him off and he's going to falsely accuse you of
threatening him. Even if you live six thousand miles away......

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On Sep 22, 7:57*am, Ace wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:22:14 +0100, Champ wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:26:58 -0700 (PDT), twobuddha
wrote:

Excuse me? *Are you so rude as to cross post an actual skiing post to
RSA?

Christ, Bruce, why the cross-post to RSA (now removed)? *I'd forgotten
what an asylum that ran over there...

Brittski implied that he'd posted his reply there, so I thought I'd
put mine there too...

Perhaps it was a mistake.
--


Sure was, Ace. Hey, did you notice how Roger Tilsbury's drinking
buddy Bob Thompson sockpuppeted a dead man and accused me of being a
child molester?
That's your buddy Roger.

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twobuddha wrote:

[...]
Excuse me? Are you so rude as to cross post an actual skiing post to
RSA?
Let us discuss Roger Tilsbury, a pathetic and laughable coward who has
defamed me for years, and lied to the Seattle Police Department over a
stupid newsgroup.
One of the most disgusting and transparent pathological liars I have
ever run across.
Not to mention the fact that he thinks jokes about raping children are
hilarious. Do you think people should make sick jokes about molesting
children?
Stay the **** out of my newsgroup, or watch yours go into the sewer
too.
Fun, fun. Asshole.

I was about ask 'have things in r.s.a calmed down now or ....'

but no need now

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Ace wrote:
[...]
I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the place, and share some of the
reservations of others. Queues are nothing like as bad as they used to
be, and connections between areas likewise, due to lift system
improvements over the last few years, but for me it's just got too
many people.

[...]
In its favour, Zermatt does have some decent, ski-accessibls
off-piste, but the best stuff (for me) is glacier terrain, much of
which is only really accessible by helicopter, and for that I'd much
rather stay on the Itlaian side, in Gressoney, for example, and enjoy
the 15km of off-piste tracks back there from Cervinia.

[...]

Seconded.

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On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:04:02 +0000, "
wrote:

Ace wrote:
[...]
I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the place, and share some of the
reservations of others. Queues are nothing like as bad as they used to
be, and connections between areas likewise, due to lift system
improvements over the last few years, but for me it's just got too
many people.

[...]
In its favour, Zermatt does have some decent, ski-accessibls
off-piste, but the best stuff (for me) is glacier terrain, much of
which is only really accessible by helicopter, and for that I'd much
rather stay on the Itlaian side, in Gressoney, for example, and enjoy
the 15km of off-piste tracks back there from Cervinia.

[...]

Seconded.

Holy necro-post, batman. Not seen any activity here for a good long
while - that one must be years old.

Still true, mind.

--
Ace
Ski Club of Great Britain http://www.skiclub.co.uk/
All opinions expressed are those of the poster and in no way reflect those of the Ski Club or its members

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On 06/11/2013 17:03, wrote:
twobuddha wrote:

[...]
Excuse me? Are you so rude as to cross post an actual skiing post to
RSA?
Let us discuss Roger Tilsbury...

I was about ask 'have things in r.s.a calmed down now or ....'

but no need now

You'd think he'd get my name right after all these years :/

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but for me it's just got too many people.

Hmmm. Not as many as most ski resorts in Austria.



In its favour, Zermatt does have some

Generally, it sounds like Zermatt isn't the place to go, albeit it appears to
be eh, quite popular (and expensive) and it has some decent apre-ski fun, or
so I've heard.

The main problem with slopes is that Swiss are a bit lazy in that respect and
they don't groom slopes well (not like Italians or Austrians), not even half
of what they normally should be grooming in order to make piste skiing good...

N.

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On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:29:15 +0000 (UTC), "Noumenon"
wrote:

The main problem with slopes is that Swiss are a bit lazy in that respect and
they don't groom slopes well (not like Italians or Austrians), not even half
of what they normally should be grooming in order to make piste skiing good...

I'm surprised. I went there last winter and the grooming was fine.

My only complaint with Swiss ski resorts (though it is a biggie) is that black
runs seem to be just steep reds, and groomed as well, and real blacks, the
sort that make my knees quiver, are often itineraires; not patrolled. Worrying
if you're skiing alone.
--

Pip

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In message
PipL wrote:

On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:29:15 +0000 (UTC), "Noumenon"
wrote:

The main problem with slopes is that Swiss are a bit lazy in that respect and
they don't groom slopes well (not like Italians or Austrians), not even half
of what they normally should be grooming in order to make piste skiing good...

I'm surprised. I went there last winter and the grooming was fine.

My only complaint with Swiss ski resorts (though it is a biggie) is that black
runs seem to be just steep reds, and groomed as well, and real blacks, the
sort that make my knees quiver, are often itineraires; not patrolled. Worrying
if you're skiing alone.

Zermatt is definitely a resort to arrive at as part of an off-piste
tour. The off-piste itineraries are excellent.

If you're after groomed pistes then I'd definitely recommend Italy and
if you are also prepared to ski at lunch time or in inclement weather
you'll have those groomed pistes virtually all to yourself!

Mike
--
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" || _`\,_ |__\ \ | caving, antibody engineer and
` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" http://www.antibody.me.uk/

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On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:16:49 GMT, Mike Clark wrote:

Zermatt is definitely a resort to arrive at as part of an off-piste
tour. The off-piste itineraries are excellent.

They looked great. Unfortunately, I was on a long weekend break with a
specific agenda, and the weather was very patchy: lots of low cloud, and I
really didn't want to risk doing a run on my own, that I didn't know, in flat
light, that wasn't patrolled.

Looking at old piste maps (I've been there twice before, but as a near
complete novice), most, if not all of these were once black runs.

I'm not sure what the rationale for downgrading them was, but I suspect cash.

--

Pip

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Mike Clark wrote:

If you're after groomed pistes then I'd definitely recommend Italy and
if you are also prepared to ski at lunch time or in inclement weather
you'll have those groomed pistes virtually all to yourself!


Well, but that's what Cervina (on Italian side) is for. Unfortunately ski
lifts over there are terribly slow, everybody complains.

Yes, I know about Italians. They indeed groom everything because they like to
ski (mostly slow cruising on wide blue-reddish slopes) in a soft & easy,
leisurely manner... :)

N.

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On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:53:49 +0000, PipL wrote:

On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:29:15 +0000 (UTC), "Noumenon"
wrote:

The main problem with slopes is that Swiss are a bit lazy in that respect and
they don't groom slopes well (not like Italians or Austrians), not even half
of what they normally should be grooming in order to make piste skiing good...

I'm surprised. I went there last winter and the grooming was fine.

Indeed, but to generalise that _all_ Swiss resorts are good, bad or
indifferent in their grooming is a nonsense. They will vary
tremendously, with weather, location, snow depths, as well as local
preferences. Some places (think of Flaine, which I know you know well)
deliberately leave some pistes ungroomed on alternate daysbecause
that's what people want.

I've noticed before with one or two Americans that they want only
'perfect piste' to ski on, and while I can enjoy that as well I'd be
very bored if all pistes in all resorts were the same.

My only complaint with Swiss ski resorts (though it is a biggie) is that black
runs seem to be just steep reds, and groomed as well, and real blacks, the
sort that make my knees quiver, are often itineraires; not patrolled. Worrying
if you're skiing alone.

Whaaat? You've never come to Engelberg, have you? As generalisations
gom this one is about as meaningless as the other. Our reds here are
generally steeper than many blacks in other resorts. Champ commented a
couple of years ago, after he'd joined us on a Ski Club Holiday that I
was leading in Zermatt, that the black runs we were skiing there
weren't erally that steep. He failed to convince some of the other
members on the trip, but then when we'd driven back here on the
Saturday and we were skiing around some of the reds he stopped me and
said "Now you can't tell me that this isn't steeper than anything we
skied last week". And he was right, it was.

Today I was trying to improve my telemark technique on the couple of
those same reds which are now open, but I realised that with the soft
wet snow mogulling up as well as the steepness, it was far from ideal
for that. Tomorrow I'll be on fixed-heels :-0
--
Ace
Prime Ski School, Engelberg, CH
http://www.prime-engelberg.ch

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On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:55:00 +0000 (UTC), "Noumenon"
wrote:

Mike Clark wrote:

If you're after groomed pistes then I'd definitely recommend Italy and
if you are also prepared to ski at lunch time or in inclement weather
you'll have those groomed pistes virtually all to yourself!


Well, but that's what Cervina (on Italian side) is for. Unfortunately ski
lifts over there are terribly slow, everybody complains.

Actually, they're mostly pretty good these days. Lots of new and
improved lifts over the last ten years. The only place you still get
problems on a busy day is getting back from Valtournenche - took about
an hour of queing on two lifts there one time, and in the end we had
to forego our lunch stop in an effort to get back over to Zermatt
before the lifts closed!


Yes, I know about Italians. They indeed groom everything because they like to
ski (mostly slow cruising on wide blue-reddish slopes) in a soft & easy,
leisurely manner... :)

N.

--
Ace
Prime Ski School, Engelberg, CH
http://www.prime-engelberg.ch

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:39:28 +0100, Ace wrote:

On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:53:49 +0000, PipL wrote:

On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:29:15 +0000 (UTC), "Noumenon"
wrote:

The main problem with slopes is that Swiss are a bit lazy in that respect and
they don't groom slopes well (not like Italians or Austrians), not even half
of what they normally should be grooming in order to make piste skiing good...

I'm surprised. I went there last winter and the grooming was fine.

Indeed, but to generalise that _all_ Swiss resorts are good, bad or
indifferent in their grooming is a nonsense. They will vary
tremendously, with weather, location, snow depths, as well as local
preferences. Some places (think of Flaine, which I know you know well)
deliberately leave some pistes ungroomed on alternate daysbecause
that's what people want.

Oh, it's alternate days, is it? I remember doing one once, then coming back
the next day and finding it pisted.

I've noticed before with one or two Americans that they want only
'perfect piste' to ski on, and while I can enjoy that as well I'd be
very bored if all pistes in all resorts were the same.

My only complaint with Swiss ski resorts (though it is a biggie) is that black
runs seem to be just steep reds, and groomed as well, and real blacks, the
sort that make my knees quiver, are often itineraires; not patrolled. Worrying
if you're skiing alone.

Whaaat? You've never come to Engelberg, have you? As generalisations
gom this one is about as meaningless as the other.

Um. OK, only two, now I come to think of it. Zermatt and Verbier, but they're
the only ones I've visited in recent years. I've tended to avoid Switzerland
due to the cost, travel, and they don't use Euros, though cost difference
might not really be that huge.

Today I was trying to improve my telemark technique

Now that's jsut showing off. PLus-fours, Lycra leggings and all?

--

Pip

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On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 22:58:35 +0000, PipL wrote:

On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:39:28 +0100, Ace wrote:

Whaaat? You've never come to Engelberg, have you? As generalisations
gom this one is about as meaningless as the other.

Um. OK, only two, now I come to think of it. Zermatt and Verbier, but they're
the only ones I've visited in recent years. I've tended to avoid Switzerland
due to the cost, travel, and they don't use Euros, though cost difference
might not really be that huge.

Exchange rates in recent years of around 1.2chf/eu have kept the euro
countries cheaper in comparative terms. Italy and Austria in
particular. France is almost as expensive as CH if you go to the
popular resorts, particularly the restaurant prices.

Today I was trying to improve my telemark technique

Now that's jsut showing off. PLus-fours, Lycra leggings and all?

You don't get around much these days, do you? Nowadays the tele scene
tends to be gnarly scandie dudes with bright coloured onesies, hugely
fat skis and an attitude to match.
--
Ace
Prime Ski School, Engelberg, CH
http://www.prime-engelberg.ch

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"Ace" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 22:58:35 +0000, PipL wrote:

On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:39:28 +0100, Ace wrote:

Whaaat? You've never come to Engelberg, have you? As generalisations
gom this one is about as meaningless as the other.

Um. OK, only two, now I come to think of it. Zermatt and Verbier, but
they're
the only ones I've visited in recent years. I've tended to avoid
Switzerland
due to the cost, travel, and they don't use Euros, though cost difference
might not really be that huge.

Exchange rates in recent years of around 1.2chf/eu have kept the euro
countries cheaper in comparative terms. Italy and Austria in
particular. France is almost as expensive as CH if you go to the
popular resorts, particularly the restaurant prices.

Today I was trying to improve my telemark technique

Now that's jsut showing off. PLus-fours, Lycra leggings and all?

You don't get around much these days, do you? Nowadays the tele scene
tends to be gnarly scandie dudes with bright coloured onesies, hugely
fat skis and an attitude to match.

.......or less:
http://wakpaper.com/large/Skiing_wallpapers_34.jpg

:o)

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David B wrote:


......or less:
http://wakpaper.com/large/Skiing_wallpapers_34.jpg



Looks rather inspiring.

But one can hardly find young and beautiful things in skimpy bikinis
skiing like this on European resorts. Alas!


-= NoumenoN =-

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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:42:01 +0000 (UTC), "NoumenoN"
wrote:

David B wrote:


......or less:
http://wakpaper.com/large/Skiing_wallpapers_34.jpg



Looks rather inspiring.

But one can hardly find young and beautiful things in skimpy bikinis
skiing like this on European resorts. Alas!

I'm game if you are...

--
Ace
Prime Ski School, Engelberg, CH
http://www.prime-engelberg.ch

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Ace wrote:

http://wakpaper.com/large/Skiing_wallpapers_34.jpg
Looks rather inspiring.

But one can hardly find young and beautiful things in skimpy bikinis
skiing like this on European resorts. Alas!


I'm game if you are...

Ehh.. Not sure what you mean.

I'm definitely not going to ski naked: not only it's bloody cold thing for me
to do, I very much doubt it will be sexy or "inspiring" spectacle for others,
more likely quite the opposite...

Not to mention an unhealthy exhibitionism angle in all that.


-= NoumenoN =-

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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 19:35:19 +0100, Ace wrote:

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:42:01 +0000 (UTC), "NoumenoN"
wrote:

David B wrote:


......or less:
http://wakpaper.com/large/Skiing_wallpapers_34.jpg



Looks rather inspiring.

But one can hardly find young and beautiful things in skimpy bikinis
skiing like this on European resorts. Alas!

I'm game if you are...

You're neither young nor beautiful. And the thought of you wearing a
bikini....
--

Pip