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alpine bindings and AT boots
Allo,
I've just came back from the trip to the Tatras. Great skiing conditions. However the trip was a disaster. I took my alpine skis (with Marker MR Rotamat) and AT boots (Denali XT). The bindings released in nearly each ascent. Usually I set the bindings to 6-8. After these accidents I added one more step - so this is not the point. Doesn't Marker MR Rotamat work with AT boots??? TA |
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In article , wrote: Allo, I've just came back from the trip to the Tatras. Great skiing conditions. However the trip was a disaster. I took my alpine skis (with Marker MR Rotamat) and AT boots (Denali XT). The bindings released in nearly each ascent. Usually I set the bindings to 6-8. After these accidents I added one more step - so this is not the point. Doesn't Marker MR Rotamat work with AT boots??? _ I think you know the answer already. In general while you can stuff AT boots into alpine bindings, there are no guarantees about releasabilty and retention. Alpine bindings are designed to work with a relatively smooth soled standardized alpine boot. There are AT bindings that will are designed to work with both AT and regular boots. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQlHEMGTWTAjn5N/lAQEaRwP8C0j+yj0nZGH0bfY1xsaPZ3lxRmWPwhgx PPkXGCMFrzv4TUHXXH0d1LU64Acw2u3SYYk86QGrlNBhVN3jyY GbGuy5uaEqVClp TuPYnYsfEoVrnyi1zefpjw5foZW0jeSrbkWkS6Pl3hNAvp0BpQ bFmSMRyb6dDP9f CeY2Ee3FMe8= =wITt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
Booker C. Bense wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article , wrote: Allo, I've just came back from the trip to the Tatras. Great skiing conditions. However the trip was a disaster. I took my alpine skis (with Marker MR Rotamat) and AT boots (Denali XT). The bindings released in nearly each ascent. Usually I set the bindings to 6-8. After these accidents I added one more step - so this is not the point. Doesn't Marker MR Rotamat work with AT boots??? _ I think you know the answer already. In general while you can stuff AT boots into alpine bindings, there are no guarantees about releasabilty and retention. Alpine bindings are designed to work with a relatively smooth soled standardized alpine boot. There are AT bindings that will are designed to work with both AT and regular boots. _ Booker C. Bense I "generally" agree with this, but also responded to this question saying that my AT boots fit my regular Marker step-ins (not Rotamats) just fine *as long as I adjusted the bindings for boot sole length*. VtSkier |
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VtSkier wrote: Don't you test your equipment before you take if for a trip where you might have trouble and now way to fix it? Well, THAT was a kind of test... I tried that set at home, of course. It seemed to be OK. :-( In practice the bindings released each time I passed icy crudes... Actually my Marker step ins (not Rotamats) work just fine with my AT boots (Lowa Structura), However, the boot soles are not the same length as my alpine boots and need to be adjusted for length, but not for release. I've just realised... My Scarpa Denali are 7mm shorter than my alpine boots, Lange_Ground_Zero. The length regulation in Rotamats (in fact theye are Rotamats Step-ins) is somehow awkward, though... Remember, if the forward pressure (boot sole length adjustment) is not correct, your release will not be correct. Perhaps that was the point... TA |
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Booker C. Bense bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Apr.04.05@telemark. slac.stanford.edu wrote: In general while you can stuff AT boots into alpine bindings, there are no guarantees about releasabilty and retention. Alpine bindings are designed to work with a relatively smooth soled standardized alpine boot. There are AT bindings that will are designed to work with both AT and regular boots. I know that. But on the other hand I can see lift operators (is there such a word?) using such sets (AT boots+alpine skis) quite often... TA |
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In article , wrote: In article , Booker C. Bense bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Apr.04.05@telemark. slac.stanford.edu wrote: In general while you can stuff AT boots into alpine bindings, there are no guarantees about releasabilty and retention. Alpine bindings are designed to work with a relatively smooth soled standardized alpine boot. There are AT bindings that will are designed to work with both AT and regular boots. I know that. But on the other hand I can see lift operators (is there such a word?) _ Yes. Although, it seems much more common among ski patrollers and coaches than lifties in my experience. using such sets (AT boots+alpine skis) quite often... _ They are also know as "ski coach boots" for exactly that reason. AT boots like the Lowa and Nordica ones that have less rocker than the Denali tend to work better for this, but in general the people doing that aren't testing the limits of their bindings. They want to get from point A to B and be able to walk around without falling or stand for hours after they get there. They also often grind some of the AT sole down to better work in standard bindings. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQlLQT2TWTAjn5N/lAQFy9QQArXItRBaBEsOtwwICSiCWO5+3CYTlvgn0 mAtcxnIJNyEk4c/PloiqStb0l0TRgWfNoOV+x4rqOFF8gf7MNLH4u0naSVkTMFz5 KXllh1UrFpbXbkwDeebmVScb7BRb9ZzNamkX1OglM/zE3Ezb5xJOdzGPA+pSDiW4 OZixyUYNbYo= =gw+j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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VtSkier wrote:
Booker C. Bense wrote: _ I think you know the answer already. In general while you can stuff AT boots into alpine bindings, there are no guarantees about releasabilty and retention. Alpine bindings are designed to work with a relatively smooth soled standardized alpine boot. There are AT bindings that will are designed to work with both AT and regular boots. _ Booker C. Bense I "generally" agree with this, but also responded to this question saying that my AT boots fit my regular Marker step-ins (not Rotamats) just fine *as long as I adjusted the bindings for boot sole length*. Marker has that physically sliding antifriction device at the toe - I suggests it works with the AT lug sole whereas teflon type antifriction pads would be probamatic. That may be why you are having good luck with your AT boot/alpine binding rig. But absolutely - the binding has to be adjusted for proper sole length by setting the pre-load appropriately. |
lal_truckee wrote:
VtSkier wrote: Booker C. Bense wrote: _ I think you know the answer already. In general while you can stuff AT boots into alpine bindings, there are no guarantees about releasabilty and retention. Alpine bindings are designed to work with a relatively smooth soled standardized alpine boot. There are AT bindings that will are designed to work with both AT and regular boots. _ Booker C. Bense I "generally" agree with this, but also responded to this question saying that my AT boots fit my regular Marker step-ins (not Rotamats) just fine *as long as I adjusted the bindings for boot sole length*. Marker has that physically sliding antifriction device at the toe - I suggests it works with the AT lug sole whereas teflon type antifriction pads would be probamatic. That may be why you are having good luck with your AT boot/alpine binding rig. But absolutely - the binding has to be adjusted for proper sole length by setting the pre-load appropriately. Agree and Tyrolia also has an active AFD which is why I have them on the skis that I normally use with the AT boots. |
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