Mountaineering boots on nordic skis
 

Are there any bindings available to fit plastic double boots on nordic skis
(for approaches to climbs), rather than having to carry climbing boots and
wear cross country boots?

The only bindings I can find for mountaineering boots are Silvretta 500 on
AT skis.

Roy.

I know that in Richard Weber's book about skiing to the North Pole &
back, he talks about using bindings like that, and I'm pretty sure he
mentioned the brand name as well. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy
of the book here, so I can't look it up for you.

Good luck finding something that works.

Colin

In article .com,
wrote:
I know that in Richard Weber's book about skiing to the North Pole &
back, he talks about using bindings like that, and I'm pretty sure he
mentioned the brand name as well. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy
of the book here, so I can't look it up for you.

I'm not sure which ones he used, but there's a Flexi Bomber
binding that will do the trick. I think they're a little
hard to find.

Karhu also has a binding that they use on their Karver and
Meta skis but I don't think they sell them separately.
Never hurts to ask, though.
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Are there any bindings available to fit plastic double boots on nordic skis
(for approaches to climbs), rather than having to carry climbing boots and
wear cross country boots?

Some winter hikers I knew in New England swore by the Scarpa T2s & T3s
-- i.e. a ski boot that's also suitable for mountaineering. There's a
dated but relevant thread he

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-an...?msg_id=0001PY

you could also post on rec.skiing.backcountry

In article , "Roy" roy wrote:

Are there any bindings available to fit plastic double boots on nordic skis
(for approaches to climbs), rather than having to carry climbing boots and
wear cross country boots?

The only bindings I can find for mountaineering boots are Silvretta 500 on
AT skis.

Roy.

If you haven't checked out rec.skiing.backcountry already you might post
this question there. I'll bet you'll get more responses.
Ralph Thornton

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In article , Roy roy wrote:
Are there any bindings available to fit plastic double boots on nordic skis
(for approaches to climbs), rather than having to carry climbing boots and
wear cross country boots?

The only bindings I can find for mountaineering boots are Silvretta 500 on
AT skis.


_ I'm having a blast with my Silveretta 500's on very short
Alpina X-terrain waxless skis and mountaineering boots, but
that rig is probably over kill for want you want.

_ There are several very simple bindings that meet your
requirements. Very hard to find in NA though, I would
try some of the European sites. Stubai makes one

http://www.yuccadune.com/product620.html

Don't expect to make either turns or much speed on it though.

This may be heresy, but if you really look at the issues
of speed, complexity, cost and weight, snowshoes almost always
win out in the long run. Skis are a lot more fun, but
they are heavier and ultimately slower particularly if
you get skis beefy enough to do more than survival kick
turns on the way down.

_ Booker C. Bense



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"Roy" roy wrote in message ...
Are there any bindings available to fit plastic double boots on nordic
skis (for approaches to climbs), rather than having to carry climbing
boots and wear cross country boots?

The only bindings I can find for mountaineering boots are Silvretta 500 on
AT skis.

Roy.
Thanks for the suggestions folks. At the moment it's looking like 500s on
tele or AT skis or those dinky little Figle thinks.

Roy.

..

This may be heresy, but if you really look at the issues
of speed, complexity, cost and weight, snowshoes almost always
win out in the long run. Skis are a lot more fun, but
they are heavier and ultimately slower particularly if
you get skis beefy enough to do more than survival kick
turns on the way down.

So when trying to get from point A to point B as fast as possible you
would choose snow shoes over skis? Interesting. I might choose snow
shoes over alpine skis that do not allow the heel to release but
otherwise........

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In article .com,
xcwhite wrote:

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This may be heresy, but if you really look at the issues
of speed, complexity, cost and weight, snowshoes almost always
win out in the long run. Skis are a lot more fun, but
they are heavier and ultimately slower particularly if
you get skis beefy enough to do more than survival kick
turns on the way down.

So when trying to get from point A to point B as fast as possible you
would choose snow shoes over skis? Interesting. I might choose snow
shoes over alpine skis that do not allow the heel to release but
otherwise........


_ If it involves a significant amount of steep climbing on
unpacked ungroomed snow, the answer is yes snowshoes are faster.
If it's mostly flat ground skis can be faster. There is a reason
snowshoes are banned from Rando Mountaineering races. Races
up/down mountains where both snowshoers and skiers compete are
generally won by snowshoers. ( i.e. The Billy Dutton Up/Down race at Squaw
Valley).

_ If you're also hauling along all gear needed for an ice climb,
snowshoes generally win just on the weight factor.

_ Booker C. Bense


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I think you underestimate how light ski gear can be. An ice climber
uses plastic boots so that there is no weight advantage with foot wear.
There is randonee ski gear out there that rivals the weight of a set of
snow shoes needed to carry a large amount of gear.

Ultimately, it depends on how well you ski. So for a typical Randonee
Race with 5,000 ft. of elevation gain and loss, you would choose snow
shoes over randonee gear? Top level rando racers complete these races
in under two hours on skis and you are saying they would be faster on
snowshoes?

The problem with snowshoes is not on the ups but on the downs. A human
cannot run downhill at 30 to 40 mph. If the up is an ungroomed trail
and very steep, skis can still be faster since the skier can z up the
slope where as the snow shoes must post hole straight up (much slower
on 30 to 40 degree slopes).

Snow shoes are not a good choice traverses of steep slopes especially
larger snow shoes.

I am not familiar with the Billy Dutton Up/Down race at Squaw but
America's uphill in Aspen is often a toss up between skiers on
lightweight cross country gear with skins and show shoers and there is
no downhill.

The slim weight advantage gained from snow shoes does not make up for
their speed going down even including the time it takes to remove skins
from skis (if needed).