Turning on flat skis?
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4bbM1MUM8

Yup, line-skiing, :)
IS

Turning on flat skis?
 

taichiskiing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4bbM1MUM8

Yup, line-skiing, :)

Taichi! The video guys have poles! You changing your mind about poles?

Turning on flat skis?
 

In article
,
taichiskiing wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4bbM1MUM8

Yup, line-skiing, :)

I preferred part 1. Yup, girl in at bikini at 4:40 not to mention
AWESOME 1980's special effects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anYZa...eature=related

Turning on flat skis?
 

lal_truckee wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4bbM1MUM8

Yup, line-skiing, :)

Taichi! The video guys have poles! You changing your mind about poles?

You'll also notice that in the final segment when he finally get around
to the alleged point of the video (i.e. slipping short turns with the
skis flat), the skier tips his skis on edge whenever the terrain becomes
steepish. Not flat skis at all.

That said, the video may be a good antidote to the "must carve all turns
all the time" meme that appears from time to time. Or not. I'm still
not entirely sure what the point is....

//Walt

Turning on flat skis?
 

Dave Cartman wrote:
In article
,
taichiskiing wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4bbM1MUM8

Yup, line-skiing, :)

I preferred part 1. Yup, girl in at bikini at 4:40 not to mention
AWESOME 1980's special effects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anYZa...eature=related

I'm confused. In Part 2 we saw a lot of footage
of racer dudes (& dudettes) working very hard
to be up on their edges. The slalom skier skidded
a bit more than the GSers, but none-the-less
was trying hard not to.

Then the instructor type guy (especially in Part 1)
showed all of his turns skidded. This guy was doing
'flat ski' until he got into the really steep
when he was bouncing off his edges and skidded
rarely if at all, since each turn started from
edges and ended up on edges (opposite).

Are we at all sure this is 'modern' technique?

It looks for all the world what I was learning
in the 60's for effective braking turns.
Make a platform (traverse strongly edged)
Release edges, perform turning maneuver
(steering or hop)
Bring skis around to opposite direction traverse
Set edges
Repeat

And then the instructor guy was dressed in an
80's body bag.

Turning on flat skis?
 

VtSkier wrote:

Are we at all sure this is 'modern' technique?

It looks for all the world what I was learning
in the 60's for effective braking turns.
Make a platform (traverse strongly edged)
Release edges, perform turning maneuver
(steering or hop)
Bring skis around to opposite direction traverse
Set edges
Repeat

Well, it worked in the 60's, didn't it? It should work just as well today.

Of course, there are other techniques that may work better.

Anyway, you can read his screed at
http://www.skipanda.com/Ski%20Carvin...%20Article.pdf
Sounds like a combination of footer, itchy, and the unabomber....


And then the instructor guy was dressed in an
80's body bag.

Where did your 60's ski instructor get an 80's fart bag? Did he have a
time machine?

//Walt

Turning on flat skis?
 

Walt wrote:

lal_truckee wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4bbM1MUM8

Yup, line-skiing, :)

Taichi! The video guys have poles! You changing your mind about poles?

You'll also notice that in the final segment when he finally get around
to the alleged point of the video (i.e. slipping short turns with the
skis flat), the skier tips his skis on edge whenever the terrain becomes
steepish. Not flat skis at all.

That said, the video may be a good antidote to the "must carve all turns
all the time" meme that appears from time to time. Or not. I'm still
not entirely sure what the point is....

If there were a point it wouldn't be a religion.

--
Cheers,
Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"No one's life, liberty or property is safe while
the legislature is in session." -- Mark Twain

Turning on flat skis?
 

In article ,
Walt wrote:

lal_truckee wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4bbM1MUM8

Yup, line-skiing, :)

Taichi! The video guys have poles! You changing your mind about poles?

You'll also notice that in the final segment when he finally get around
to the alleged point of the video (i.e. slipping short turns with the
skis flat), the skier tips his skis on edge whenever the terrain becomes
steepish. Not flat skis at all.

That said, the video may be a good antidote to the "must carve all turns
all the time" meme that appears from time to time. Or not. I'm still
not entirely sure what the point is....

//Walt

Of course, modern ski technique is not "must carve all the time" and
hasn't been for quite some time (if it ever was, that is).

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

Turning on flat skis?
 

In article ,
Walt wrote:

VtSkier wrote:

Are we at all sure this is 'modern' technique?

It looks for all the world what I was learning
in the 60's for effective braking turns.
Make a platform (traverse strongly edged)
Release edges, perform turning maneuver
(steering or hop)
Bring skis around to opposite direction traverse
Set edges
Repeat

Well, it worked in the 60's, didn't it? It should work just as well today.

Of course, there are other techniques that may work better.

Anyway, you can read his screed at
http://www.skipanda.com/Ski%20Carvin...%20Article.pdf
Sounds like a combination of footer, itchy, and the unabomber....

What's more, he simply gets his facts wrong.

A 17m radius ski isn't called that because that's the radius of turn it
makes, but be cause that is the radius of the arc cut into the side of
the ski.

The arc that the ski creates when on edge varies depending on the angle
to which the ski is edged.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

Turning on flat skis?
 

On Nov 18, 12:58 pm, VtSkier wrote:

I'm confused. In Part 2 we saw a lot of footage
of racer dudes (& dudettes) working very hard
to be up on their edges. The slalom skier skidded
a bit more than the GSers, but none-the-less
was trying hard not to.

My guess what he tries to say is that at the best you get 2% of pure
carving and 98% of skidding/sideslipping turn even in racing. He
doesn't seem to distinguish "skidding" and "slipping" neither, but he
does occasionally use "slipping edges" to make "slipping turns."

Then the instructor type guy (especially in Part 1)
showed all of his turns skidded. This guy was doing
'flat ski' until he got into the really steep
when he was bouncing off his edges and skidded
rarely if at all, since each turn started from
edges and ended up on edges (opposite).

His "turning on flat skis" is another example of "line-skiing." He may
not come to admit, but he is a flatboarder/flatskier.

Are we at all sure this is 'modern' technique?

Methinks that he may have issues with 'modern' "teaching" as well as
he derides the pure carve and RRT turns, or he just reinvented the
classic--skidded-turns, more practical.

It looks for all the world what I was learning
in the 60's for effective braking turns.
Make a platform (traverse strongly edged)
Release edges, perform turning maneuver
(steering or hop)
Bring skis around to opposite direction traverse
Set edges
Repeat

He teaches the beginner parallel turn by teaching her sideslipping
first,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgjb5z71pE
in Chinese (original),
or

http://www.youtube.com/user/SKIPANDA...W&hl=zh-TW#p/u

And then the instructor guy was dressed in an
80's body bag.

That's his uniform, guess mainland China's skiing is a bit behind.

:)
IS