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& Backcountry ski-board-climb-hike entrance controls..any ? 5/8/06
Trying to survey and publish what controls, if any, exist in USA and/or
Canada re subject. If contols do exist: 1 What are they, 2 Who enforces whatever controls their are, 3 Is pass/fee/photo registeration required, 3 What penalties are mandated: warning citation, fines, jail-time, etc. 4 Who pays for the rescue expenses of search personnel, snowmobiles, trucks, helicopter services, EMT, police and hospital services. 5 State of Nevada created back-country control legislation last year which imposed both a fine and jail-time. Results so far have been inconclusive for many reasons. Help/suggestions much appreciated. |
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Aj 427 wrote: Trying to survey and publish what controls, if any, exist in USA and/or Already has been publisheg. Canada re subject. If contols do exist: 1 What are they, If US land is not private, the major land agencies include: USDA USFS USDOI USNPS BLM Individual States USDOD Other 2 Who enforces whatever controls their are, Rangers of the USFS and USNPS can be law enforcement, but usually the BLM are not. As a default, most enforcement takes place at the county level. 3 Is pass/fee/photo registeration required, Rarely. The usual exceptions tend to be highly frequented National Parks, some Forests near heavy traffic urban areas, etc. It is typically easy to find out. 3 What penalties are mandated: warning citation, fines, jail-time, etc. Warnings tend to be at the disgression of the enforcing officer. Various Civil or local codes determine fines, etc. All this is challengeable and in fact is daily in courts. 4 Who pays for the rescue expenses of search personnel, snowmobiles, trucks, helicopter services, EMT, police and hospital services. Most search personnel are volunteers in the US. The exception are the few military and coast guard personnel for martime reasons. EMTs, police, hospitals are either which ever jurisdiction, commonly a county-level sheriff unless in a National Park for instance paid by county, state, or Federal govt. Some states have insurance from hunting fees. Others depend on you having health insurance. This is all in flux. If a rescuee is particularly asshole about it, they will get billed. 5 State of Nevada created back-country control legislation last year which imposed both a fine and jail-time. Results so far have been inconclusive for many reasons. More specifics than this are needed. Help/suggestions much appreciated. Spend some time in libraries and read up on land history and policies. The US has comparative few controls. Canada: contact places like Environment Canada. -- |
Eugene Miya wrote:
3 What penalties are mandated: warning citation, fines, jail-time, etc. Warnings tend to be at the disgression of the enforcing officer. Various Civil or local codes determine fines, etc. All this is challengeable and in fact is daily in courts. It may be worth noting that on some NPS lands, a program is in effect whereby sophisticated monitoring equipment is used to watch campers and they're behavior. Plan accordingly. Do not carry, condone, partake, or even think about dreaming of being anywhere near contraband. Unless you have a grand to give to the cause. HTH. -klaus |
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In article , Kurt Knisely wrote: It is typically easy to find out. Some places you need registration, handled by the USFS: http://www.kachinapeaks.org/photo_ga...p/DSCN2347.jpg Other places you're simply on your own: http://www.allwest.net/~kurt/images/...e/Crayons2.jpg Nice skulls and cross bones. Hadn't seen nearly as many of those in CA. I did get a nice sign with skull and cross bones at the Franz Josef glacier in NZ. No hurry to scan it. I've collected out of bounds signs in various parts of the Alps. 1st, they have to be multilingual (typically 4 at a minimum [welcome signs I've seen in 6 languages, Chinese being the most recent one]). A good campaign for avalanches has snowboards as head stones. 3 What penalties are mandated: warning citation, fines, jail-time, When you cross a "Closed" boundary, it's about $350 here in Summit Co., Xxxx. It depends here. The PCT goes by several resorts here. We have huts from a prior era. Tracks are certainly a problem. But there are general fines. Canada: contact places like Environment Canada. Outside of crossing "Closed" boundaries, it appears that in Canada, you can go just about anywhere you wish. Of course there could be temporary wildlife closures/public safety, etc.. What? No Canadian equivalent to Area 51? Canada is too unpopulated to enforce things. Let the Polar bears eat the trust passers. Hey Ed, another PB brochure in the mail to you from my climbing parter Dave (he has been to Churchill). Bob Lee wrote in BLM Bob Retired already? Thinking about moving to a snowier climate or planning Oh you never fully ever leave the BLM. ;^) -- |
Eugene Miya wrote:
I've collected out of bounds signs in various parts of the Alps. 1st, they have to be multilingual (typically 4 at a minimum [welcome signs I've seen in 6 languages, Chinese being the most recent one]). The number of languages has no effect on the efficacy. At least at Canyons. Unless you have a language for New Jersey. Until they understand "windloading", you can put it up there in Martian. Won't matter. -klaus |
Bob Lee wrote:
Got a trip to Maui tomorrow, then I'm thinking of hitting some 14ers north of here. Gonna join the Shasta hordes? |
Eugene Miya wrote:
Let the Polar bears eat the trust passers. Hey Ed, another PB brochure in the mail to you from my climbing parter Dave (he has been to Churchill). Thanks, the other one with the snowcoaches/hotels looks like a tourism industry. Lots of PBs to watch though. Ed Huesers Http://www.grandshelters.com |
(Eugene Miya) wrote in news:4468c597$1@darkstar:
contols Nice skulls and cross bones. Hadn't seen nearly as many of those in CA. Safer snowpack...sometimes... Canada: contact places like Environment Canada. Outside of crossing "Closed" boundaries, it appears that in Canada, you can go just about anywhere you wish. Of course there could be temporary wildlife closures/public safety, etc.. What? No Canadian equivalent to Area 51? Canada is too unpopulated to enforce things. Let the Polar bears eat the trust passers. Or the grizz. It would be hard to enforce anything out he http://www.allwest.net/~kurt/images/gwn/Valhalla.jpg I stopped to ask a ski patroller at Red Mtn. one day about the BC gate. He said "what gate"? You leave the ski area and you're on your own. |
klaus wrote in news:e4b5vu$jiq$1
@xmission.xmission.com: Eugene Miya wrote: I've collected out of bounds signs in various parts of the Alps. 1st, they have to be multilingual (typically 4 at a minimum [welcome signs I've seen in 6 languages, Chinese being the most recent one]). The number of languages has no effect on the efficacy. At least at Canyons. Unless you have a language for New Jersey. Until they understand "windloading", you can put it up there in Martian. Won't matter. Go out to the parking lot And ya get in your car And ya drive real far And ya drive all night And then ya see a light And it comes right down And lands on the ground And out comes a man from Mars And ya try to run But he's got a gun And he shoots ya dead And he eats your head 'Cause the man from Mars stopped eatin' cars and eatin' bars And now he only eats guitars Road Stat: MP 20 ~Cobblerest |
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