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I'm looking at a price of $575 for airline and 7 nights lodging in
Innsbruck for early January. I've seen several places offering similar deals right now for Innsbruck. I've never been to Europe and this price is super cheap, but I am wondering what the drawbacks are. I am really worried about jetlag too. How does Innsbruck stack up to the rockies or Whistler? |
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:42:33 +0100, "InMyTree"
wrote: The whole Innsbruck area has mountains that are not very high in comparision to the mountains in the Tyrol area for example.. Where exactly do you think the Tyrol is? "Ian Spare" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:38:50 +0100, "InMyTree" wrote: That region is fairly low altitude wise.. so if it was early January I'd say you'd be taking a risk of not having few good snow.. if it was late Jan, you'd probably be alright.. Innsbruck is the airport, the mountains are a little higher. It's as reliable as anywhere else in the Alpes in January. From Innsbruck you can get to a few places. I actually ski near Innsbruck a lot, all year round in fact, however, as I've not been to the Rockies I can't make a comparison. That does sound like a very cheap deal.. "svadas" wrote in message . com... I'm looking at a price of $575 for airline and 7 nights lodging in Innsbruck for early January. I've seen several places offering similar deals right now for Innsbruck. I've never been to Europe and this price is super cheap, but I am wondering what the drawbacks are. I am really worried about jetlag too. How does Innsbruck stack up to the rockies or Whistler? -- Yeah, because you never know when the value of 2^15 will change and you have to go through all your code fixing it. -- Paul Tomblin -- Yeah, because you never know when the value of 2^15 will change and you have to go through all your code fixing it. -- Paul Tomblin |
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I think Tyrol is near the Swiss border, and mountains in that area include
St Anton, Lech and Zurs.. Where do you think Tyrol is? "Ian Spare" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:42:33 +0100, "InMyTree" wrote: The whole Innsbruck area has mountains that are not very high in comparision to the mountains in the Tyrol area for example.. Where exactly do you think the Tyrol is? "Ian Spare" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:38:50 +0100, "InMyTree" wrote: That region is fairly low altitude wise.. so if it was early January I'd say you'd be taking a risk of not having few good snow.. if it was late Jan, you'd probably be alright.. Innsbruck is the airport, the mountains are a little higher. It's as reliable as anywhere else in the Alpes in January. From Innsbruck you can get to a few places. I actually ski near Innsbruck a lot, all year round in fact, however, as I've not been to the Rockies I can't make a comparison. That does sound like a very cheap deal.. "svadas" wrote in message . com... I'm looking at a price of $575 for airline and 7 nights lodging in Innsbruck for early January. I've seen several places offering similar deals right now for Innsbruck. I've never been to Europe and this price is super cheap, but I am wondering what the drawbacks are. I am really worried about jetlag too. How does Innsbruck stack up to the rockies or Whistler? -- Yeah, because you never know when the value of 2^15 will change and you have to go through all your code fixing it. -- Paul Tomblin -- Yeah, because you never know when the value of 2^15 will change and you have to go through all your code fixing it. -- Paul Tomblin |
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I've looked at a map and I think I know where Tyrol is. My question is
if it's worth the trip for 7 nights. In summit county, aka rockies, where I go a lot we have good snow as the base villages are at 10,000 feet and then the mountains are normally 2-3,000 feet up. Not the huge mountains I read about in the alps, but that is why I am asking. If I fly over to the alps, I am going to go over 6 time zones. This will likely hurt me. My problem in the rockies is normally the altitude. You can't sleep at that altitude more than a few hours. But the snow is always good. What could I expect from innsbruck? |
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Fair point.. it seems I was wrong..
"BJohansson" wrote in message ... You're actually referring to the Arlberg region. Innsbruck is in Tirol. |
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I've skied both the Rockies and Austria somewhat extensively. I'm an American
who lived in southern Germany for 4 years. Innsbruck is not a ski area in the sense that Breckenridge or Copper or Vail are resorts. Innsbruck is a fairly large town that hosted 2 Olympics. The skiing is 20-30 minutes away from the town and quite honestly, not worth your time. As others have stated, the best decent skiing near Innsbruck is St. Anton which is a ski resort similar to the Colorado resorts. However, St. Anton is about 90 minutes by car from Innsbruck. There is train service between the 2, but I have no idea what the schedule is. As others have also mentioned there is a large variety of other "resorts" within 1-2 hours of Innsbruck. I'll echo what the others have said. Lech is one of my favorite Austrian resorts, Ischgl is huge (another "resort" similar to US resorts), I had great luck with the snow conditions on the Hintertux glacier. All that being said, Innsbruck is a starting point, not a destination in my view; Unless you're going for the "European experience" which is great, but if you're a hard-core skier, I think you'll be disappointed with the skiing around Innsbruck. |
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"BJohansson" wrote in message
... I've skied both the Rockies and Austria somewhat extensively. I'm an American who lived in southern Germany for 4 years. Innsbruck is not a ski area in the sense that Breckenridge or Copper or Vail are resorts. Innsbruck is a fairly large town that hosted 2 Olympics. The skiing is 20-30 minutes away from the town and quite honestly, not worth your time. As others have stated, the best decent skiing near Innsbruck is St. Anton which is a ski resort similar to the Colorado resorts. However, St. Anton is about 90 minutes by car from Innsbruck. There is train service between the 2, but I have no idea what the schedule is. As others have also mentioned there is a large variety of other "resorts" within 1-2 hours of Innsbruck. I'll echo what the others have said. Lech is one of my favorite Austrian resorts, Ischgl is huge (another "resort" similar to US resorts), I had great luck with the snow conditions on the Hintertux glacier. All that being said, Innsbruck is a starting point, not a destination in my view; Unless you're going for the "European experience" which is great, but if you're a hard-core skier, I think you'll be disappointed with the skiing around Innsbruck. -- [Above] Sounds about right. Jon. |
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:48:39 +0100, "Jonathan Gogan"
wrote: you've a handful of stations nearby which are pretty nice. St Anton's not so far away for example, you could be there for a week and ski a different station each day St Anton is not exactly a 'ski station is it? With its spanking trains and suburbs (Neiderau etc.) its more like a full on town. Jon Of course it's !"£$ing ski station, are you on drugs or what? Before posting drivel again try and get your brain engaged and sort out your posting style, ie attibution and don't top post. |
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:44:39 +0200, Ian Spare
wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:48:39 +0100, "Jonathan Gogan" wrote: you've a handful of stations nearby which are pretty nice. St Anton's not so far away for example, you could be there for a week and ski a different station each day St Anton is not exactly a 'ski station is it? With its spanking trains and suburbs (Neiderau etc.) its more like a full on town. Jon Of course it's !"£$ing ski station, are you on drugs or what? Could be a language thang, I guess. Maybe he thinks a 'ski station' is just a tiny one-lift affair or something. Before posting drivel again try and get your brain engaged and sort out your posting style, ie attibution and don't top post. Whereas this has no excuse. -- Ace (bruce dot rogers at roche dot com) Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club. |
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I do have a quote of $886 USD for airfare/transfers 7 nights at Hotel
Felsenhof in Lech (w/half board). Seems to be a better location, but price is based on flying out on Dec 12 which may be toooo early for snow still. Any thoughts? |
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Lech is a great area because on one ticket (at least it used to be this way),
you can ski Lech, Zurs, St Christoph, St Anton and one other small-ish area. Lech and Zurs are actually linked by lifts. On the downside, it is probably the most expensive place to stay and play in Austria. Not sure what half-board gives you, but if it doesn't include dinner, you may be in for a little sticker shock at the restaurants. Not on the scale of Vail mind you, but for Austria, it's pretty pricey. All that being said, I wouldn't bet on decent snow that early. We rarely went skiing anywhere except glaciers before mid-February when I lived in Europe. |
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In , BJohansson typed:
Lech is a great area because on one ticket (at least it used to be this way), you can ski Lech, Zurs, St Christoph, St Anton and one other small-ish area. Lech and Zurs are actually linked by lifts. On the downside, it is probably the most expensive place to stay and play in Austria. Not sure what half-board gives you, but if it doesn't include dinner, you may be in for a little sticker shock at the restaurants. Not on the scale of Vail mind you, but for Austria, it's pretty pricey. All that being said, I wouldn't bet on decent snow that early. We rarely went skiing anywhere except glaciers before mid-February when I lived in Europe. Half Board is bed, Breakfast and Evening meal. -- Chris *:-) Downhill Good, Uphill BAD! www.suffolkvikings.org.uk |
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Last year I was in St.Anton the second week of december. Above 2000m. the
snowcoverage was good. Below there was sufficient artificial snow. Lech is better most of the time. -Stephan |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:58:29 +0100, "Jonathan Gogan"
wrote: "Ian Spare" was updset enough to wrote Of course it's !"£$ing ski station, are you on drugs or what? Before posting drivel again try and get your brain engaged and sort out your posting style, ie attibution and don't top post. More Drivel: I would call 'Station Oz' a ski station. As it is, a, well ... 'ski station' I would call St Anotn a village/town as it is a well... town? The is Europe, it's rec.skiing.resorts.europe, we call a ski station somewhere that has access to a ski area, like a train station lets you ride the train. Thanks for modifying your posting style. |
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"Ian Spare" skrev i en meddelelse
... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:58:29 +0100, "Jonathan Gogan" wrote: "Ian Spare" was updset enough to wrote Of course it's !"£$ing ski station, are you on drugs or what? Before posting drivel again try and get your brain engaged and sort out your posting style, ie attibution and don't top post. More Drivel: I would call 'Station Oz' a ski station. As it is, a, well ... 'ski station' I would call St Anotn a village/town as it is a well... town? The is Europe, it's rec.skiing.resorts.europe, we call a ski station somewhere that has access to a ski area, like a train station lets you ride the train. Hi, I am puzzled too. Please don't be offended, but in Scandinavia and all cross Europe we would surely call a town like St. Anton a town. This apparently is different in UK. I am curious, how do one differentiate between a town and a mere station? (And try to bear with the top posters, Outlook Express , the most widely used newsreader/mailer, has its default that way. It creates a blank line on top, and places the insertionpoint there. You have to remember to delete the top line and skip to the bottom every time you post, - slips me from time to time as well) Best regards |
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Hi, I am puzzled too. Please don't be offended, but in Scandinavia and all cross Europe we would surely call a town like St. Anton a town. This apparently is different in UK. I am curious, how do one differentiate between a town and a mere station? I think to put it simply a Ski Station may be a village or a town, or just some buildings at the bottom of a lift. in europe most ski stations are towns, but elsewhere this may not be the case. (And try to bear with the top posters, Outlook Express , the most widely used newsreader/mailer, has its default that way. It creates a blank line on top, and places the insertionpoint there. You have to remember to delete the top line and skip to the bottom every time you post, - slips me from time to time as well) Best regards Bottom posting is a pain! it is a remnant of using teletypes. Why can't we move with the technology? I only bottom post, because if you don't you get shouted at. If people snipped irrelevant text it would not be such a problem, but they don't and I get ****ed off by having to scroll down through reams of stuff I have read before to find a 1 line silly comment at the bottom. if it was top posted life would be much simpler! I use OE-quotefix which can be set to make OE bottom post |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:41:35 +0200, "Ivan Rafn"
wrote: "Ian Spare" skrev i en meddelelse .. . snip The is Europe, it's rec.skiing.resorts.europe, we call a ski station somewhere that has access to a ski area, like a train station lets you ride the train. Hi, I am puzzled too. Please don't be offended, but in Scandinavia and all cross Europe we would surely call a town like St. Anton a town. This apparently is different in UK. I am curious, how do one differentiate between a town and a mere station? 'Mere' is the misleading part here. In French, anywhere there is skiing is referred to as a Station de Ski. It's in no way connected to the existence or otherwise of town, village or city. (And try to bear with the top posters, Outlook Express , the most widely used newsreader/mailer, has its default that way. As do many proper newsreaders. It's not exactly rocket science to hit page_down a couple of times, trimming unwanted verbiage as you do so. TBH I had to hit reply a second time to test this out, as it's so much an automatic reaction. It creates a blank line on top, and places the insertionpoint there. You have to remember to delete the top line and skip to the bottom every time you post, - slips me from time to time as well) There's no need to delete the blank line. -- Ace (bruce dot rogers at roche dot com) Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club. |
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"Ian Spare" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:58:29 +0100, "Jonathan Gogan" wrote: "Ian Spare" was updset enough to wrote Of course it's !"£$ing ski station, are you on drugs or what? Before posting drivel again try and get your brain engaged and sort out your posting style, ie attibution and don't top post. More Drivel: I would call 'Station Oz' a ski station. As it is, a, well ... 'ski station' I would call St Anotn a village/town as it is a well... town? The is Europe, it's rec.skiing.resorts.europe, we call a ski station somewhere that has access to a ski area, like a train station lets you ride the train. Thanks for modifying your posting style. -- Oh Ian, I am so grateful for your kind words. I wonder why the 'station' above Oz vilage calls itself a 'station? Could it be because it is in the French Alps and there a 'station' means a purpose built 'high-mountain-resort' for recreational skiing as aopposed to an organic (old) village usually lower, esp in the valley (like St Anton) Please ignore above as it is probably drivel as I am obviously on too much drugs! p.s. "Modifying style": see 'kettle/pot' Jonathan "it's all good" |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:41:23 +0200, Ace wrote:
'Mere' is the misleading part here. In French, anywhere there is skiing is referred to as a Station de Ski. It's in no way connected to the existence or otherwise of town, village or city. Quite right, I'd forgotton that the French "stations de ski" was generally translated as ski resorts until you mentioned it. Personally, resorts doesn't sound right to me, it suggest places you vaction in, 90% of my skiing (probably like yours) is weekends in one of my flats or days from the house (which should improve this year as we're living near enough for Verbier). |
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Nigel wrote in
: Lech is still on the same pass as St Anton,St Christoph,Rendl,Zurs. You can get some great skiing in early December & Lech is one of the few places that is pretty snow sure . Lech & Zurs is fantastic for Off-Piste however it will be a little to early for that unless they get a copuple of huge October/November dumps. As for Food , you can eat pretty well in Lech, dont expect any McDonalds kind of places but you can get a cheap Pizza etc. However, it your going to Lech you may as well lap it all up .The Hotel restaurants are the best places to eat, the food is top quality , some of the Hotels have award winning chefs . You can eat very well on the slopes as well. This place is worth a visit . "Alter Goldener Berg" http://www.hospiz.com/start.asp Absolutely - the Hospiz is a fantastic restaurant, and not nearly as expensive as it looks (for lunch, at any rate). Note that it's not in Lech, though - it's in St Christoph. In Lech, it's nice to eat on the terasses of the hotels in Oberlech (Uberlech? can't remember). Right on the slopes a couple of hundred metres above the bottom lifts, and facing the sun. Jeremy |
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All this talk about Lech has convinced me it's a good place to go.
So what are the chances of finding reasonable-priced self catering accommodation there over new year week (27/12 - 3/1)? I don't fancy St. Anton - from what I hear it's far too noisy for the likes of us. I've heard Stuben (I think it was) might be good though... And coming by car, is there any chance we might not be able to get there? If they could sort out their web site, maybe I could check some of these things for myself, but it keeps crashing my browser. Adrian -- http://www.nspcc.org.uk/donate-4-free ais@ Adrian Shaw, Adran Cyfrifiadureg, Prifysgol Cymru, aber. Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Cymru ac. http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais uk |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:41:35 +0200, "Ivan Rafn"
wrote: "Ian Spare" skrev i en meddelelse .. . On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:58:29 +0100, "Jonathan Gogan" wrote: "Ian Spare" was updset enough to wrote Of course it's !"£$ing ski station, are you on drugs or what? Before posting drivel again try and get your brain engaged and sort out your posting style, ie attibution and don't top post. More Drivel: I would call 'Station Oz' a ski station. As it is, a, well ... 'ski station' I would call St Anotn a village/town as it is a well... town? The is Europe, it's rec.skiing.resorts.europe, we call a ski station somewhere that has access to a ski area, like a train station lets you ride the train. Hi, I am puzzled too. Please don't be offended, but in Scandinavia and all cross Europe we would surely call a town like St. Anton a town. This apparently is different in UK. I am curious, how do one differentiate between a town and a mere station? Why on earth would you want to? They are not mutually exclusive terms. To me a ski station would be any location with ski lifts which can be accessed without requiring other lifts. If that happens to be a town, then it is also a town. A town is not a definition which has anything to do with skiing. -- Alex Heney, Global Villager Which way to Castle Anthrax? To reply by email, my address is aDOTjDOTheneyATbtinternetDOTcom |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:13:37 +0100, "MoonMan"
wrote: snip Bottom posting is a pain! it is a remnant of using teletypes. Why can't we move with the technology? Because it is NOTHING to do with teletypes. Bottom posting is the norm because that is the way we read. I only bottom post, because if you don't you get shouted at. If people snipped irrelevant text it would not be such a problem, but they don't and I get ****ed off by having to scroll down through reams of stuff I have read before to find a 1 line silly comment at the bottom. if it was top posted life would be much simpler! Only if you are not interested in the context. I quite agree that there are too many people who don't snip properly, but that is actually seen more in top posters than bottom. If you are actually interested in the context, then top posting is *much* harder to read, because you have to skip backwards and forwards. -- Alex Heney, Global Villager Which way to Castle Anthrax? To reply by email, my address is aDOTjDOTheneyATbtinternetDOTcom |
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Accomodation in that week is the most expensive & of the season & the
most difficult to get . Most of the self catering units get blocked booked up by the big scandinavian tour company's. ALot of people especially from Germany just come down for the New Year celebrations. Persistance is the name of game in getting accomodation in this period. I would say that 75% of visitors to the Arlberg are regular repeat visitors like myself, so we are booked in by default until we cancel. All the hotels & Landlords are looking for customers who will fill there houses for a complete week or two. Goodluck Nigel Adrian D. Shaw wrote: All this talk about Lech has convinced me it's a good place to go. So what are the chances of finding reasonable-priced self catering accommodation there over new year week (27/12 - 3/1)? I don't fancy St. Anton - from what I hear it's far too noisy for the likes of us. I've heard Stuben (I think it was) might be good though... And coming by car, is there any chance we might not be able to get there? If they could sort out their web site, maybe I could check some of these things for myself, but it keeps crashing my browser. Adrian |
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"Ivan Rafn" Wrote:
Hi, I am puzzled too. Please don't be offended, but in Scandinavia and all cross Europe we would surely call a town like St. Anton a town. This apparently is different in UK. I am curious, how do one differentiate between a town and a mere station? Thank's for clarification everyone. I will remember to call a Ski Area a Ski Station from now on. |
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In k, Ivan Rafn typed:
"Ivan Rafn" Wrote: Hi, I am puzzled too. Please don't be offended, but in Scandinavia and all cross Europe we would surely call a town like St. Anton a town. This apparently is different in UK. I am curious, how do one differentiate between a town and a mere station? Thank's for clarification everyone. I will remember to call a Ski Area a Ski Station from now on. But only when in France :-) -- Chris *:-) Downhill Good, Uphill BAD! www.suffolkvikings.org.uk |
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In , Alex Heney typed:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:13:37 +0100, "MoonMan" wrote: snip Bottom posting is a pain! it is a remnant of using teletypes. Why can't we move with the technology? Because it is NOTHING to do with teletypes. Bottom posting is the norm because that is the way we read. the norm with email is to add your comment at the top, this is why OE defaults to it. it makes life simpler because the text which you have responded to is always immediatly below what you are typing. this is still linear text with the most relevant information at the top and older less relevant information after it, much more logical and much more usable. Do you not like HTML because it isn't "the way we read"? obski the snow comes first, then we ski on top of it! -- Chris *:-) Downhill Good, Uphill BAD! www.suffolkvikings.org.uk I only bottom post, because if you don't you get shouted at. If people snipped irrelevant text it would not be such a problem, but they don't and I get ****ed off by having to scroll down through reams of stuff I have read before to find a 1 line silly comment at the bottom. if it was top posted life would be much simpler! Only if you are not interested in the context. I quite agree that there are too many people who don't snip properly, but that is actually seen more in top posters than bottom. If you are actually interested in the context, then top posting is *much* harder to read, because you have to skip backwards and forwards. |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:36:04 +0100, "MoonMan"
wrote: In , Alex Heney typed: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:13:37 +0100, "MoonMan" wrote: snip Bottom posting is a pain! it is a remnant of using teletypes. Why can't we move with the technology? Bottom posting is the norm because that is the way we read. the norm with email is to add your comment at the top, this is why OE defaults to it. a) it's not a universal norm b) usenet |=email it makes life simpler because the text which you have responded to is always immediatly below what you are typing. this is still linear text with the most relevant information at the top and older less relevant information after it, much more logical and much more usable. This may be fine and dandy in a two-way conversation, but usenet just isn't like that. Somebody might be replying to a thread that's already ten-deep, and will need to see exactly who said what to whom, in response to what. This isn't easily done in a top-post stylee. In internal emails one typically quotes the entirety of each post so far, so one _could_ read them all, by going to the bottom and working upwards, but on usenet it's accepted that quoted material is trimmed to the relevant only. And there are many occasions, even working in a company where top-posting email is the rule, that I, and others, have resorted to putting comments in-line with the previous posting, very much like is normal on usenet. Do you not like HTML because it isn't "the way we read"? Many people use newsreaders that are not HTML-enabled so would be unable to read it. Usenet is a text-only concept, so it's no good saying all these peeps should upgrade to the latest Windoze kit, particularly as many of them will have been around, using textonly software, since before 'the internet' was born. -- Ace (bruce dot rogers at roche dot com) Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club. |
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Ivan Rafn : Thank's for clarification everyone. I will remember to call a Ski Area a Ski Station from now on. I'm from the UK, but that's not a term I'd use. It sounds american to me, not english. Heh, it's certainly not Welsh! Hmm, gorsaf sgio... I like that! Adrian -- http://www.nspcc.org.uk/donate-4-free ais@ Adrian Shaw, Adran Cyfrifiadureg, Prifysgol Cymru, aber. Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Cymru ac. http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais uk |
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In , Ace typed:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:36:04 +0100, "MoonMan" wrote: In , Alex Heney typed: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:13:37 +0100, "MoonMan" wrote: snip Bottom posting is a pain! it is a remnant of using teletypes. Why can't we move with the technology? Bottom posting is the norm because that is the way we read. the norm with email is to add your comment at the top, this is why OE defaults to it. a) it's not a universal norm b) usenet |=email I didn't say it was, I was using it as an example just as I was with HTML it makes life simpler because the text which you have responded to is always immediatly below what you are typing. this is still linear text with the most relevant information at the top and older less relevant information after it, much more logical and much more usable. This may be fine and dandy in a two-way conversation, but usenet just isn't like that. Somebody might be replying to a thread that's already ten-deep, and will need to see exactly who said what to whom, in response to what. This isn't easily done in a top-post stylee. In internal emails one typically quotes the entirety of each post so far, so one _could_ read them all, by going to the bottom and working upwards, but on usenet it's accepted that quoted material is trimmed to the relevant only. This is mainly my point, if people snipped irrelevant information it wouldn't matter but the fact is THEY DON'T. And there are many occasions, even working in a company where top-posting email is the rule, that I, and others, have resorted to putting comments in-line with the previous posting, very much like is normal on usenet. We use comments in line, usually using different colours, it depends on wether you are answering the whole message or are answering points. Do you not like HTML because it isn't "the way we read"? Many people use newsreaders that are not HTML-enabled so would be unable to read it. Usenet is a text-only concept, so it's no good saying all these peeps should upgrade to the latest Windoze kit, particularly as many of them will have been around, using textonly software, since before 'the internet' was born. I did not mean HTML in usenet, Usenet is text only. what I meant was do you not like Hypertext because as it is not linear it is not the same as the text we use to read as children. -- Chris *:-) Downhill Good, Uphill BAD! www.suffolkvikings.org.uk |
Why Is Austria Skiing Dirt Cheap For USA Right Now?
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:36:04 +0100, "MoonMan"
wrote: In , Alex Heney typed: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:13:37 +0100, "MoonMan" wrote: snip Bottom posting is a pain! it is a remnant of using teletypes. Why can't we move with the technology? Because it is NOTHING to do with teletypes. Bottom posting is the norm because that is the way we read. the norm with email is to add your comment at the top, this is why OE defaults to it. it makes life simpler because the text which you have responded to is always immediatly below what you are typing. this is still linear text with the most relevant information at the top and older less relevant information after it, much more logical and much more usable. With email, you are most commonly making very quick responses, and are responding to the person who wrote the email specifically, rather than to a group. Both of those features mean that you should rarely need to read the quoted text. When there is a need, it is just as hard to read it properly with top posted email. I also strongly suspect that you have cause and effect mixed up when you say that is why OE does it that way. It is only relatively recently (since Outlook and OE became the most common mail clients) that I have come across it as the norm. Do you not like HTML because it isn't "the way we read"? I have never seen anything in HTML (other than some newsgroup postings) which has not had all the paragraphs following in normal reading order. So no, there is nothing about HTML which is "not the way we read". I don't actually think HTML has any place in usenet, but that is a different issue. that is because it takes around three times as much bandwidth, and many news clients (including mine) will not render it. Which they shouldn't, if they are following the standards. -- Alex Heney, Global Villager Why can't women put the toilet seat back up? To reply by email, my address is aDOTjDOTheneyATbtinternetDOTcom |
Why Is Austria Skiing Dirt Cheap For USA Right Now?
MoonMan wrote: Bottom posting is a pain! it is a remnant of using teletypes. Why can't we move with the technology? Rubbish ! A. Top posters Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? There's another one along similar lines : A: Because it upsets the logical flow of the thread. Q: Why is top posting a bad idea? |
Why Is Austria Skiing Dirt Cheap For USA Right Now?
Ralf Langanke wrote in message ...
I think you need a rental car in innsbruck if you want to reach the resorts fast. The local buses leave town at about 9am and take about an hour to get to the closer ski areas. Return buses are infrequent, so you are committed to staying even if you have skied all of the runs and are ready to return. |
Why Is Austria Skiing Dirt Cheap For USA Right Now?
In message , Ian Spare
writes On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:41:23 +0200, Ace wrote: 'Mere' is the misleading part here. In French, anywhere there is skiing is referred to as a Station de Ski. It's in no way connected to the existence or otherwise of town, village or city. Quite right, I'd forgotton that the French "stations de ski" was generally translated as ski resorts until you mentioned it. Personally, resorts doesn't sound right to me, it suggest places you vaction in, 90% of my skiing (probably like yours) is weekends in one of my flats or days from the house (which should improve this year as we're living near enough for Verbier). But you wouldn't call a place a "station de bagnade" if it had only a beach, would you? You'd expect hotels, a promenade - all the facilities of a seaside/lakeside resort. Isn't it the place with two lifts and a cafe that doesn't deserve to be called a "station"? (My grandmother went to the hill station each hot weather; Indian English still has the coastal station too.) -- Sue ]:(:) |
Why Is Austria Skiing Dirt Cheap For USA Right Now?
David Off wrote:
Ian Spare wrote: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:24:02 +0100, Sue wrote: But you wouldn't call a place a "station de bagnade" if it had only a beach, would you? You'd expect hotels, a promenade - all the facilities of a seaside/lakeside resort. Isn't it the place with two lifts and a cafe that doesn't deserve to be called a "station"? I assume you mean baignade ? Sorry, I don't understand. In French we do use the terms station de ski and staion de montagne, the fact we don't say station de baignade No, it is 'station balneaire', but you need to know when and when not to use the expression. I go to one of those when I want a whale of a time.... |
Why Is Austria Skiing Dirt Cheap For USA Right Now?
BrritSki wrote:
David Off wrote: Ian Spare wrote: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:24:02 +0100, Sue wrote: But you wouldn't call a place a "station de bagnade" if it had only a beach, would you? You'd expect hotels, a promenade - all the facilities of a seaside/lakeside resort. Isn't it the place with two lifts and a cafe that doesn't deserve to be called a "station"? I assume you mean baignade ? Sorry, I don't understand. In French we do use the terms station de ski and staion de montagne, the fact we don't say station de baignade No, it is 'station balneaire', but you need to know when and when not to use the expression. I go to one of those when I want a whale of a time.... tout a fait :-) |
Why Is Austria Skiing Dirt Cheap For USA Right Now?
"Ace" wrote in message
... On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:24:02 +0100, Sue wrote: But you wouldn't call a place a "station de bagnade" if it had only a beach, would you? You'd expect hotels, a promenade - all the facilities of a seaside/lakeside resort. Well it may be a moot point, but if I saw somewhere on the coast marked as a 'Station de Baignade' I would _expect_ access to the sea, be it beach or jetty, possibly a lifeguard, maybe even a shower. Shops & cafés would be a bonus, hotels & promenade unlikely. That's what _I_ would take it to mean, if such a term was used. Isn't it the place with two lifts and a cafe that doesn't deserve to be called a "station"? Ace ecrit: Sounds like the term is ideally suited. It would be innacurate to call such a place a 'resort'. What term would you prefer? drivel My point entirely. /drivel -- -- Jonathan |
Why Is Austria Skiing Dirt Cheap For USA Right Now?
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:53:15 +0100, "Jonathan Gogan"
wrote: "Ace" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:24:02 +0100, Sue wrote: snip To make it easier to read just your comments, you might like to change your outlook settings to prefix each line of quoted text with a , like what most other folk do. Also you could try snipping unneeded test in the post you're quoting. Ace ecrit: Sounds like the term is ideally suited. It would be innacurate to call such a place a 'resort'. What term would you prefer? drivel My point entirely. /drivel Eh? Not entirely, I feel, as you were the one saying we should _not_ use station for anywhere that was large enough to call a town, which is not what I was saying at all. -- Ace (bruce dot rogers at roche dot com) Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club. |
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